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August 24, 2004

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Mark J.

1) Lewis -- the true GOAT. Remarkable for the longevity and the versatility; 16 years between initial world ranking and the last...amazing. And the first track diva.
2) Johnson -- the true jaw-dropping performances of our generation (I can name at least three) -- the 200 in Atlanta has to rank among the greatest sports feats of the past century -- Lewis never had a defining moment like that; MJ dominated his events like no one ever has in our era, including Lewis in the long jump.
My heart says Johnson, my head says Lewis.
Actually, the greatest individual may be Halle Gebrasalasie from Ethiopia -- the greatest distance runner of past thirty years...but that is another discussion. Dominated the 5K and 10K despite a virtual army of Kenyan runners determined to unseat him.

Hank

Mark:
Did Johnson really dominate the 400 more than Lewis did the long jump? Or Edwin Moses in the 400 hurdles? I'm not disagreeing, just asking someone who has a more informed opinion.

Mark J.

Those are excellent examples, and I may have gone a little overboard because it is a closer call than I make it sound. And you can make that argument without getting much disagreement from me. Lewis was consistently great over a longer period of time, and Moses had that amazing winning streak -- that Felix Garcia is beginning to approach. Mike Powell broke the long jump record and Kevin Young broke Moses' hurdles record. I can't see anyone on the horizon breaking MJ's records. One of the things that always stood out to me was Lewis and Moses lifted their events so other competitors approached them; no one did that with Johnson. It is a fun argument to have, and as biased as I am about distance runners, there are a number of east Africans you can make that same argument for.

Mark J.

One thing about this year's track and field Olympians that I haven't noticed before is that the guys they interview after the event are very likeable. After years of the entire Santa Monica Track Club, led by prima divas Carl Lewis and Leroy Burrell, self-promoter Jon Drummond, a bevy of distance runners who couldn't run with the Kenyans and Ethipians but claimed they could, Mary Slaney, FloJo and Gwen Torrence...I could go on and on. Having Shawn Crawford make fun of his racing a giraffe, Dwight Phillips laughing off the two times he broke his legs, Justin Gatlin nearly in tears when they introduced him as the 100m winner...it was just nice to see. Maybe they were coached by USTAF officials, but it doesn't matter. These are guys easy to like, and a good thing for track.

liban


The athletes references just sound like a monument to dopping. Do you believe they're were just natural talents? In some ways the US tecnology just kept, in fairless fashion, one step ahead from drug detection. You were, and still are, a bunch of cheaters. Play it clean and your arrogant stance vanishes. Congratulations to your greatest coach: Miss Esther Oydd!

Hank

Obviously, the performance enhancement issue cannot be ignored, but to claim that this is only an American issue is misguided. In these Olympics alone, two Greek athletes brought shame upon the host nation as they missed a mandatory test and were subsequently removed from the Games. A Russian shot putter tested positive for the same drug used sixteen years ago by Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson, perhaps the most famous cheater in Olympic history. Yes, it's fairly accepted that Florence Griffith Joyner was juicing, and there's an enormous cloud of suspicion hanging over other U.S. athletes like Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones amongst others, but this is not simply an American issue. This is a problem that stands to tarnish all athletic competition, regardless of sport or nation.

Mark J.

There aren't that many people more skeptical than me when it comes to athletic performance and performance enhancers. It sounds like you are tarring all the athletes, and until it is proven otherwise (a result more likely everyday), then I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt -- American athletes or not. American technology may make a difference, but it isn't necessarily "illegal technology." Coaching is better; nutrition is of greater concern; track surfaces are like ice rinks; and training methods are much more advanced than they were 20 years ago.
My guess is more juice up than don't, but it is a little too easy to drape that blanket over everyone who turns in a great performance.

EJ

Greene was exceptionally gracious after both the 100 and 4x100. I didn't expect it from him, and it was a great surprise.

Johnson dominated the 400 for nine years, 1991-2000; Lewis, the long jump from 1984 to 1992 with a great upset in 1996; and Moses dominated from 1976 to 1988, when his long winning streak finally ended in the Trials. It's a toss-up among those three for me, but for singular achievement, Johnson's 200 in 1996 may end up the longest-standing record in track. I watched the 200 this year with my dad, the winning time was 19.8, and he remarked, "Kinda slow -- almost half a second off the world record." I then explained that it is the 4th fastest time in history (I think), and that it was only 11/100ths of a second off the second fastest time in history. That gave us both some pause.

But Gebreselassie, in his prime, may have been the most dominant, and if anyone can run the marathon in sub-2:00 (think about THAT), it'll be him, as he moves up to that distance. And how about an American getting the Silver in the men's marathon today!?

Whitney

My dad ran track in school, so I grew up thinking Carl Lewis was a god, and confused when other people barely seemed to know who he was. I think one of the best stories about how great Lewis was, is that when Powell set the long jump record, he later said that he immediately sat down and waited for Lewis, who was next up, to beat him. You've got to be pretty great to get that kind of respect from an athlete who is directly competing against you.

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